On Opposition to so-called Lay Presidency (with a possible solution)

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I am sure that no one who reads this blog would be shocked to find out that I am adamantly opposed to the notion of “lay presidency” at Holy Communion. In fact, I have to be honest and say that I had no idea that lay presidency ever occurred in the Lutheran Church until about 5 years ago. Granted, some would say that this is due in large part to my own East Coast Lutheran biases, which tend by reputation to be clergy-heavy and more high church than not. This may be. I mean, I can own it if this is the case. It could be that those who chiefly influenced my own formation in Lutheranism merely passed on biases rooted in ethnic and national identities about which I was not aware when I both committed myself to the ELCA and began formation as a pastor. Heck, it was the summer prior to seminary before I knew that some Lutherans used individual cups. I am digressing, of course, but do so only to confess my own bias in this discussion and to give some explanation to the starting point in my thinking about this and related issues.

 

When I was discerning the ordination process, my pastor told me all about his formation. He came from a rather low church Finnish background, and spoke with sparkling eyes about his discovery of high church Lutheranism. As he told me about his internship, he described his different functions and the learning that accompanied the assignments. I recall as clear as day asking him, “Did you get to celebrate the Holy Eucharist while on internship.” He looked at me aghast and explained that such things are not done, that only ordained pastors preside at the altar. That moment (and that assumption) really stuck with me.

 

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In the ELCA, the normative practice is that it is an ordained person who presides over worship. There are some regions of the church, however, where Bishops do allow for lay presidency. This is most commonly in situations where the churches in question are small and located in rural (or even isolated) communities. Even it that situation there are many in the ELCA who think this is a bad idea, with me being least among them. For me, this is cleared up very simply in CA XIV, which states that no one should preach or administer the sacraments without a call. The common response to this is that people preach in the church all the time without a regular call, and it is much more likely that a person can do damage through a sermon than through consecrating and administering the sacrament. Furthermore, we allow our interns in the ELCA to preach with regularity. Thus it should follow, as the argument goes, that a lay person should also be able to consecrate and administer communion.

 

The line of thinking may seem reasonable, but with a key difference, one rooted in identity. The identity of an intern is that he or she is aspiring to become vested with the sacred trust that is given to the pastor. That trust, however, is not yet granted. Interns are in a liminal state to be sure. One is being formed to live with that trust, and part of that formation includes preaching. Yet even this preaching is not done under his or her authority. It is done under the authority of the pastor. It is the pastor who is still ultimately given care for the souls of the congregation and the pastor who is accountable. If heresy is spewed from the pulpit, hopefully the pastor/supervisor is there to correct and admonish. Certainly the internship committee would also include this in their reports to the seminary. Much like those tribal traditions that grant to those in the liminal state some – but not all – of the rights of adulthood, so the intern is trusted with some – but not all – of the duties of a pastor.

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Concerning other lay preaching outside of internship situations, a pastor has a great responsibility here as well. In my case, when lay people have been asked to preach, it has been a very selective process and they are in the pulpit only after we spend time together discussing the message they are to present. If this sounds like a big brother or an authoritarian approach, then so be it. At ordinations and at pastoral installations we take vows which bind our souls and our consciences, especially in regards to the use of the means of grace. No one else is held under these same vows, and far be it from me to say it, but this does in fact matter.

 

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Rather than think about this in terms of hierarchical relationships, it is really best to think of it in terms of charisms, or gifts. Calling to mind the teachings of St. Paul in I Corinthians, we are reminded that everyone in the Christian church, but that the gifts of the Spirit are different for different people. “God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers…” and so forth. With each spiritual gift comes spiritual responsibility of stewardship of the mystery of that gift. Some of us are called to be pastors; most are not. The role of the pastor is to be a servant of the Word in very specific and concrete ways that others are not called to. This includes preaching and presiding at the altar. This does not make the ordained pastor “better than” any other Christian in the church. It does not make them holier in the sense of personal sanctity. It simply makes pastors responsible for things that others are not responsible for by virtue of the gifts they are given.

 

The church catholic seems to have understood this well until the Reformation. Even as early as AD 96, when Clement is thought to have written his letters to the Corinthians, there is a clear understanding of order in the church. Clement would not stand idly by while the usurpation of clergy took place by angered laity who wanted to change apostolic order. In that sense, succession (not as in the Historic Episcopate, a later and distinct idea) dates back to the earliest fathers of the church. One is hard pressed to find lay presidency in the first 1500 years of the church’s history. Even after the Reformation occurred, it was the radical reformers that Lutherans rejected that pushed for things like lay presidency. Examining the ordination rites of the early Lutherans shows that while the understanding of ordination may been undergoing renewal, it was still held to be sacred. One church order used in Hamburg in 1535 even referred to ordination as a “second sanctification”. A perusal of other ordination rites from the era show a firm understanding of ordination as a sacred trust with great responsibility, and at no time do any hint that the lines between the role of the clergy and the role of the laity are to be blurred.

 

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Shifting gears, allow me to re-situate myself as part of a conversation occurring in response to this post by Eric over at The Heart of a Pastor, and to the subsequent comments that follow his post. I think what Eric is doing is writing in a way that reflects the name of his blog. His concern about lay presidency, and his support for it, seem to be a pastoral concern about people having access to the Holy Sacrament. In truth, there are many folks who would go a series of weeks (perhaps months) without receiving Holy Communion if it were not for lay presidency. Believe it or not, I appreciate the concern. I wish other pastors demonstrated the level of concern he has for those in need of God’s grace. However, what it stirs up in me is not a questioning of the normative practice of clerical presidency, but a question about the call and ordination process in the Lutheran Church in general.

 

It seems to me that the question of lay presidency is the wrong question to ask. The question that we need to be asking is if a four year residential Master of Divinity, a unit of CPE, and an internship are really required to be a good pastor. Yes, theological training is essential, as is ongoing spiritual and academic formation, but are we married to a process that ultimately hurts our churches? Perhaps the answer lies not in licensing lay people, but in carefully selecting, training, calling and ORDAINING people at the synodical level to be bi-vocational pastors. I would like to see a dual practice of ordination in the ELCA. Those ordained in individual synods to serve the churches of those synods only, with the understanding that this is specialized ministry to be carried out in those communities where it is hard to attract those ordained under the current national system. This may be either rural or urban centers. The bishop would oversee (imagine that!) their training and ordination, and under normal circumstances these people would be bi-vocational pastors that could only serve in their own synods on an as-needed basis. They would also be recruited on the ground; in other words, coming from within the communities in need of a pastor of this sort. This would work hand in hand with the current system of national ordination, which would still require all the hoops, but would allow one to be “employed” full time in church service and would also allow for national (rather than simply synodical) mobility. What this system still does not allow for are things like an intern celebrating communion, or a lay person “filling in” for the pastor while he or she is on vacation or at synod. There is no good theological or practical reason for either of those two cases.

I know this is not a proposal for a perfect system, and some would argue that it would create an underclass of synodical pastors, but at this point, it seems to me to be the most faithful approach given our confessional understandings and our catholic inheritance.

19 Responses to “On Opposition to so-called Lay Presidency (with a possible solution)”

  1. A couple things:
    (1) Thank you for the very thoughtfull post and kind words. What a privilage it is to be in fellowship where we can, in a healthy way, discuss our differences.
    (2) I am in favor of lay presidency, but not as a normal practice…but in extreme situations (which seems to be the norm in rural areas). Pastors are called and ordained into the ministry of word and sacrament…I don’t want to minimize that great responsibility and/or spiritual gift. What I desire is flexibility. And if that comes from pastoral concern more than sound theology, then so be it.
    (3) You talk about interns being in a state of formation, which includes preaching. I agree. Why not include interns in the complete life of the church…including presiding at communion…while under the close supervision of an ordained pastor?
    (4) I agree…there needs to be close supervision and training when it comes to preaching and presiding at communion. As pastors, we are indeed responsible for the message that gets communicated to the people.
    (5) I think our theology here is pretty close with a key difference. I am trying to maintain exceptions to the rule that allows for better access to the means of grace with minimizing the office of word and sacrement. That has to be a happy medium someplace.

    Thanks again. I look forward to continued dialog.

  2. Why not interns at the table? For me, I think I would need to hear a good reason for changing current practice, which I have not really heard. As your colleague said, “Any idiot can read the Words of Institution.”

    I do want us to be careful in our discussion about one thing, however: I don’t want to see us pit pastoral concern and sound theology against one another. They should serve one another, and our practice should be informed and formed by our theology.

    I will say that I found an interesting article about the history of practice in America from Dr. Mark Oldenburg that could have some bearing on the conversation:
    http://www.gettysburgsem.org/faculty/moldenburg/licensure.htm

  3. I’m on vacation, and not able to give a full response now. I, like Eric, am for Lay Presidency in certain situations, and I don’t think it is pitting sound theology against pastoral concern. I would agree with you that internship would not be a bad place to start.

  4. (I didn’t in my internship, in Denver). But my internship supervisor felt that the reason Not to was because the regularly called pastor should do it, and the intern was issued a call by the congregation. However, that being said, the congregation could also decide (he thought) to allow their intern to preside, IF NECESSARY.

  5. Thank you…very interesting article. Around my area we have a number of people in a program called “Faith Builders” or called “SAMs” (Synodically Authorized Ministers). These people have take classes and are theologically trained. The purpose is to fill a need that we have in rural minitry. Some of these people may decide to go on to seminary but not all. These are the people I am talking about allowing to preside at communion in “usual” circumstance. They are in a way “licensed”, maybe not in the same way laid out in the article, but they have the training to maintian good order. Also, it is understood that any authorization is for a certain place and for a limited time (once again…to maintain good order).

    You’re right…I don’t want to pit pastoral concern against sound theology. Augsburg 14 clearly states that no one should preach, teach or administer the sacrament without a proper call. I’m all for maintaining good order, but like you already know, I am also one for allowing for exceptions to the rule.

    Thank you again for the article. I will be bookmarking that one.

  6. Hey there Punk,

    It’s been a long time since we’ve commented on each other’s blogs. Happy New Year, and blessings to you in your new call.

    On Eric’s blog I posted a comment suggesting that local congregations are stewards of the Word and Sacraments (as opposed to limiting stewardship of the Means of Grace to the ordained clergyperson). If this is a legitimate suggestion – which I’m glad to explore further – then it would seem to me that the “authority” to use these sacraments for pastoral purposes resides in the local congregation, not the Bishop or the broader church.

    In our Lutheran context an argument can be made for limiting presidency to ordained clergy for “good order” and in deference to tradition. However, unlike our higher church friends we do not believe that any mystical, ontological change happens in the person of the pastor upon ordination. This pastor him/herself has no special power, of course.

    When I am eventually approved for ordination, I will not be ordained until I receive a congregational call. Though approved and prepared by my Bishop and the broader church for ordained ministry, it is not until a local expression of the church calls me that I can exercise the office of ministry and administer the sacraments.

    Furthermore, pastors cannot (should not!) be consecrating elements left and right without a proper call or invitation from a congregation. That is, retired pastors or pastors on leave should not be cranking out sacraments for friends and family apart from the context of a congregation’s ministry. So again, it seems to me that the authority for sacramental ministry resides in the congregation, not the cleric or Bishop.

    What do you think? Thanks.

  7. We have a handful of SAM’s in our synod as well, but I think only 3 or 4. It is a really small number. I go back to the point that these folks should be made pastors through something like the TEEM process, rather than being involved in some theologically nebulous function.

    Chris – I see where you are coming from on the issue of the local congregation. One of the things that is endearing to me about or tradition is the fact that one is not ordained until a call is issued. I think this helps protect the integrity of the church and the office of ministry. However, to take your argument a bit farther, would it then be valid to say that a church can call whoever it wants to be their pastor, regardless of approval by a certifying body? In other words, if we think Pastor Joe Bob from First Church of Snake Handling is a good preacher, and our church wants him, that we can call him? Well, we could, but then we would give up our ties to the larger body. The point is that the broader church here plays a role.

    I do want to reframe what we are saying here. I don’t think of an ordained person as having “magic hands”, but as a person gifted by the Holy Spirit to perform specific functions. Ontological change need not be part of that equation, in my estimation. Nor do we need to get all wrapped up in the language and ideas of Augustine on the subject in his arguments with the Donatists. I really think it is somewhere in between, which is why I framed it originally in terms of spiritual gifts or charisms or even call: some are called by God through the Church to perform certain functions. Others are not.

    Take for instance the Office of the Keys. Any Christian can proclaim the grace of God in Christ to any other Christian, but only a pastor is granted the Office of the Keys, wherein the pastor stands in the stead of and the behest of Christ to pronounce absolution. Again, not a change in the “indelible character” sense, but a trust that is granted.

    I agree with you about retired pastors, by the way!

  8. First, no sir, not just any idiot can PROCLAIM the Words of Institution. Heard a bad lector lately, anyone? Proclamation is a gift that not everyone has, and it is this proclamatory understanding that is vital to Lutheran understanding of the Sacrament and God’s work therein. I’ve trained lectors, I take lectoring very seriously, something for which I have a gift. As I said last semester to students in training here at the sem. when they were discussing nervousness and preaching: “I still do get nervous when I’m a lector or preach. That’s a good thing. We should be a little nervous when we’re proclaiming and expounding upon God’s word.”

    Second, I think in general, it would be better for communities to have options to train someone through other programs (TEEM, for example) if an MDiv isn’t possible and set that someone aside (call/consecrate) in their communities. Now, this person might make their living in a second calling–tent-making.

    Third, it isn’t true that there isn’t any possibility that a lay person ever and with communal assent presided–this distinction of clergy/lay is an overlay that cannot be read back into Scripture in the ways we think about it–that’s why your gift understanding (which is how I understand hierarchy, btw) is more appropriate. The Didache speaks of elders deferring to prophets, for example, in presiding at the table. In extremis, all (including our Eastern kin) but the Roman Catholic Church allow that a lay person might preside (but notice again, as Luther does, the community sets someone aside rather than play musical presiders).

    Which is all to say, the pattern is to set aside someone with those gifts. I can imagine for example on a desert island, that a band of lay Christians of whom I were a part, might set me aside: I have the prayers memorized, I can preach, etc., or they might ask me to teach the person who pastors best…

    Fourth, LP, how do you relate sacramental theology to the bedrock Lutheran understanding that God’s word effects the Sacrament? I think this has to be the bedrock, and then move this to the important points you make about your responsibility as one under orders.

  9. Over all, LP makes a vital and central Reformation point that the pastoral and sacramental are not separable. The one who is responsible pastorally in a community is the one who administers the Sacraments.

    I confess to having presided once as a lay person. It was mortifying. I was invited to preach at a UCC congregation some many years back. I showed up early as is my habit because I need to get a feel for the space, etc. The pastor was on his way out the door to go back East. He mentioned it was Communion Sunday, and that I would need to preside and that it was also Healing Sunday and I would need to administer unction. He would hear none of my objections. So, I presided with the fully memorized Roman Canon. And I administed unction with the words from the Aaronic blessing. Would I do this now? No. But I have not doubt that though illicit, the Sacrament was valid because it is God and His word that make it so.

    I’ll ask C his thoughts as he was licensed to preside on two occasions while on internship.

  10. I do like what you say about “a trust being granted.” That is an exceptional phrase. I also agree with the person who said it’s not true that “any idiot can proclaim the words of institution.” I find presiding at Holy Communion to be an incredible responsibility and trust. I also agree on the subject of retired pastors.

    I have a post or two on this brewing, considering for example, what would happen if these rural churches actually adopted the evangelical practice of weekly communion? and then the pastor needs to go on vacation, and there is no one to administer the sacrament? Just thinking about that one. And also, thinking about the “priesthood of all believers”, what it really means/ its common misconceptions, and what is really radical about it.

    But, I think I need to wait until after I get back from vacation!!!

  11. Your proposal for a synod-level minister mirrors in *many* respects the Roman Catholic institution of the permanent diaconate—it requires significant theological training but will not be the full-time job of the deacon. An RC deacon *is* ordained, not lay, and each diocese has its own process for doing so. The main difference is that deacons don’t consecrate the Eucharist. If you’re interested in pushing your ministerial proposal within the Lutheran church, you might investigate some RC diaconate programs for some useful tips.

  12. Christopher – so glad you could jump in here, and thank you for your corrective about the practice from the Didache.

    Your desert island illustration is one that comes up a great deal – as you well know – and in that sort of *extreme* measure I fully can imagine a community in need of word and sacrament ordaining via call from the community one of their own. What I am talking about here is more normative practice. I think we are too quick to declare something exceptional when it really is not.

    Concerning my understanding of God’s Word in relation to the sacrament, I think almost instantly of of the words used to pronounce absolution in private confession when it refers to the pastor as a called and ordained servant of the Word. Pastors are there to speak the Word that brings forgiveness, consecrates the sacrament, etc. This is the job that I as a pastor was set aside for…to serve God through speaking his Word in concrete and specific ways in the world. The laity has the same “job”, but not the same functions.

    I am not sure if I cleared up your question or if I muddied the waters further. Let me know.

  13. LP,

    First, I hope you don’t think I’m arguing for lay presidency as something to be made usual. It’s not. Indeed, let us imagine every bishop keeled over tomorrow. Let us imagine every priest did the same. The pattern would remain: call and set aside someone in the community. There is a reason for this, which I’ll get to in a moment.

    I can imagine that folks argue from the extreme to suggest it should be normative. That is not my argument. I don’t use the desert island illustration (which is Luther’s) here to justify lightly lay presidency because as you say most instances are not emergencies. I use it to point out there are exceptional cases. The normative pattern is to call and set one aside. This is clear even in St. Paul. Nonetheless, Paul’s distinctions are not our distinctions necessarily. Charism in his understanding cannot be reduced to orders in ours. Hence, The Didache. I suspect travelling prophets rather than proclaim the Gospel (in Word and Sacrament) one two many times did their own thing, and hence, stabilization in a normative pattern: call and set aside, along with the diminishment and disappearance of the role of prophet as a regular part of the community. Just look in charismatic circles today and you’ll understand the dangers. The pattern is there for the protection of the community as much as anyone else. I also see the need for a clergy with education–even if not an MDiv. Lutheran reform began in an university not a tent revival, as the good Dr. Aune is fond of pointing out.

    This is what the pastor is set aside by the community to do. As Jensen puts it, to be a college of the Gospel to the community; the role of the pastor is serious, to always and everywhere proclaim the Gospel to the community in Word and Sacrament–a mirror if you will. Now of course, sometimes it is the role of some in the community to proclaim the Gospel back to that college and the commmunity and/or to the world–the Church after all is filled with saintly sinners/sinning saints and even the college can get off track. We call such prophets. Sometimes, prophets are also pastors, but if they are (for all of those pastors who like to think themselves so), their first role is proclamation of the Gospel and its concreteness in particular matters of daily life–NOT harangues or Thou Shalts or Thou Shalt Nots (pick your left to right moralism of choice). It is the role of the prophet to apply Christ to particular circumstances in daily life that the Church is failing to do. Building on the requirements of The Didache (which says a true prophet doesn’t stay more than three days to eat others out of house and home), in our day and age in addition, for the sake of good order, the true prophet would decline from presidency at the table, in my opinion, unless he or she is willing to take up orders and be called and set aside. Only in the extreme would he or she do otherwise. I can think of some extremes even in our time, but what those have tended to lead to are new denominations (I’m thinking of MCC in response to gay folk being denied Christ’s Body and Blood) with the following pattern: call and set aside.

    I was thinking in terms of God’s initiative. Luther ties the effectiveness of the words to God’s promises made present in the Spirit. You might say, similar to Cranmer’s Canon of “word and Spirit” (used in the lovely Eucharistic Prayer in SBH), that it is by word and promise that the Sacrament is. The next step starting from the central point in Lutheranism (God’s initiative), is good order. Good order must not be taken lightly, as you note, you take serious vows and it protects the community from charlatans. We don’t want any old schmo presiding. We are all created equal and equally valued in God’s eyes. We are not created equal in the sense that all of us have the same gifts or capacity for certain responsibilities–this false understanding sometimes imported from the secular arena cannot hold sway on our understanding of orders. Again, the pattern is this, call and set aside.

  14. Christopher – I didn’t think you were arguing for lay presidency strictly speaking. I’m fine with calling folks from within the community and setting them aside to serve. My real question is why not just ordain these folks instead of licensing them, or having them celebrate while laity etc. It seems to me that this enforces the very clericalism that proponents of lay celebration seem to deplore.

    Let me also say that I am not opposed to academic formation. I am glad I have formal theological training and I have tried to be diligent about using continuing education to further develop my theological understanding. But I think there are other ways to get this than being couped up at a sem for 3 or 4 years.

  15. LP,

    Just to clarify, when I say “call and set aside”, that is the terminology and pattern for ordination (“setting aside” is a strict translation of “consecrate”). In Baptism, we are called and set aside as his people by God. In Baptism, after all, we enter an order–the laity and are placed under orders of the Baptismal Covenant and live this out in the world as well as bring our living out to the Divine Service.

    In that same way, our pastors are set aside within the community to be to us the mirror of the Gospel, to administer the Gospel in Word and Sacrament. Without this, communities are in danger of seeing things they’re way rather than having the challenge of seeing things God’s Way: Jesus Christ. In other words, I’m arguing that they should NOT be licensed or celebrate as laity, but rather they should be trained and ordained as pastors for that community who is in need of a pastor. To do otherwise is potentially to put asunder the connection between the pastoral and sacramental. That means though that those trained in seminary will need to get over their snobbery. One too many times, I have known those trained in other ways who have ran into this snobbery as if seminary education in and of itself makes a great pastor. Indeed, the model of training and ordaining someone WITHIN the community is a very early model, and one that upholds the important connection of pastor and community. Even the Anglican Church of Canada has an option for ordination to a local community for often underserved rural parishes.

    Lay presidency has the potential danger of playing musical presiders, of responsibility taken lightly, and of suggesting that those who carry out the ministry of the pastor but who are not ordained are ineffective, not real, etc. Note that even the Disciples of Christ who allow for lay presidency do so as the college of elders. It is they who preside in a congregation, not just anybody.

    I also don’t think that education need only be in a seminary over 3-4 years. TEEM is one example of trying something out that provides for some seminary education while training on-site in a parish as well. I think Derek’s cathedral model is another possible approach to this.

  16. C – I think TEEM is a very positive step in the right direction, though I would like to see some of the strictures loosened so that skeptics will no longer view it as a church form of Affirmative Action (a criticism I have heard whispered in this and other synods).

    Otherwise,I think we are in agreement, unless I have misread something.

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  18. I’ve been reading all the postings on this subject on several blogs, so by now I’m confused as to who said what where.

    Questions: What is the difference between SAMs and AIMs? I have friends who have been certified as AIMs, one hasn’t yet received a call. The other’s duties are the same as a pastor, except she can’t marry people and she receives a lower salary. Would your proposal add another title to the mix?

    For every good argument for reserving only allowing ordained pastors to preside at communion, commentators have come up with practical points to rebut this. Some rhetorical questions:

    There has been discussion about pastor’s being “called” and having special gifts of proclamation, etc. However, there are ordained pastors who stay ordained but go into administrative positions because their gifts are in that direction. Should they be able to preside at communion? If being the “pastor” of a flock is important for the presider, for reasons described in other comments, then why is it OK to have a “rent-a-pastor” preside at communion?

    If the proclamation is so important, then why is it OK to have the elements from the altar taken to shut-ins by lay people? If they are prayed over, are they then “special?” I thought that we didn’t quite accept that as Lutherans.

    I just dug out my old catechism. It goes through all the questions and answers about communion without mentioning that the pastor has to do certain things to make it really the Lord’s Supper. Although I’d never do this, I take it that if I were with several Christian friends, having a spiritual discussion, we “could” have our own communion. Yes, this might encourage the opposite of “good order” but some practices already do that. I’m thinking here of my faithful grandmother who belonged to one of the “close communion” branches of Lutheranism, but she lived with her daughters who were ALC. She took communion and pointedly refrained from telling her own pastor.

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